One Helpful Suggestion ( …maybe)…an open Letter to David Nathan

Dear brother Dave, I have been observing the back and forth ever since you were removed from Moriel with much concern, perplexity and even sorrow. Of course I am concerned for you, your precious family and ministry, because I know how difficult it can be to go through times like these. Actually my concern extends to brother Jacob as well, and to the larger flock of God, and ultimately for the glory of God.

As you well know Ministry , with all of its demands can be brutal at times, which is why James warns Christians not to aspire to teaching, “… knowing we shall receive the greater condemnation”. You and I and Jacob all know this, and we have long ago accepted this as a reality.

As I said, I am also perplexed about this whole discussion. I will put aside the issues of slain in the Spirit, Anointed prayer cloths (I do not regard you as a Benny Hinn by any means), impartation of the Spirit through laying on of hands, all of which I consider to be peripheral to the main problematic charge, which is your comments about the Blood of Jesus, in the Millenium.

Your recent release of a response to Jacob is vague, one isn’t sure from the outset whether or not it is Jacob’s response or your own. It becomes evident that you have shown us Jacob’s Video and that you are responding with fuller clips of your own, ( I suppose proving that indeed you teach that the blood of Jesus is sufficient, and that we are saved only by the blood of Jesus). There is little or no narration, only clip answering to fuller clip.

It is almost as if you are saying, “Whats the problem?, I preach the same gospel as you do, I preach the efficacy of the blood of Jesus”.

As far as I know, no one has accused you of not preaching the gospel, to those of us on this side of the Millennium.  One would wonder what all of the fuss is, if they merely went by your response tape, or even by the excellent GV247 interview with Stewart Menalaws. You said that no one at Moriel had ever spoken to you about any problems until May.

People are perplexed, thinking  ‘Why all of this argument, David preaches the standard gospel, so why is He being accused of not doing so?  ‘

It will always be confusing and contentious as long as that impression is given. I cannot speak for Jacob , ( I am not Moriel),  but I would not assume you would ever have been a part of Moriel if Jacob had any doubts about the gospel you preach in this current dispensation.

If you want to bring real clarification to this issue, You would have to acknowledge where the confusion springs from.  The issue is what you have said about the blood of Jesus during the Millennium. “The Blood of Jesus will not profit anyone, anything in the Millennium”. Remember I warned you that such a statement would cause problems and vast misunderstanding ?

This is the real contention which has eventually come to a head, and which must be acknowledged as problematic. Obviously Moriel, and others, including myself would have a problem with this.

The issue isn’t really about whether or not people are born again, or part of the bride in the Millennium, it is all about your statements on the Blood of Jesus, and on cleansing in the Millennium. Misunderstanding this has obfuscated the whole discussion, in my humble opinion.

I just want to say that the true starting place would be for you to acknowledge the statement and to try to see why that would be problematic. This very issue has come to the surface before between you and I, ironically once in a Q/A at Bread of Life, and one in a Q/A at Believers in Grace. I regret that I didn’t pursue my concerns further with you along those lines, I didn’t know this would become the conflagration which it has become, but I am not surprised that it became an issue.

Have you corrected your teachings?  If so is there any way you could list the corrections, in order to validate the concerns others have raised?  How about a point by point list ? “Here is where I see Moriel could have a problem with what I said, Here is what I meant or where I have changed….”

That would greatly lessen the confusion and perplexity. For example I was blessed to hear that the prayer cloth teaching was ten years old and that you had retracted it. We have all had to go back over some of our earlier teachings and make corrections.

People are being given the impression that you are being accused out of the blue, as if there has been no cause for any alarm. But any teaching on the blood of Jesus, (the only means for the salvation of all men) is extremely serious. Any perceived denigration of the blood, in this age or the age to come, would obviously be problematic.  There is nothing wrong with being a Berean.

As for how this issue has been handled, how you have been treated, whether or not your answer was forthcoming, I can not speak for any of that. That is another issue entirely. For example I do not think it fair to compare you to Benny Hinn. There is no comparison. Nor do I think it wise to call anyone a liar. As the Apostle Paul said, “Wouldn’t you rather just suffer wrong?”. 

I have always loved you brother and respected your work and demeanor, but you know also that I have had reservations about your teachings on the blood of Jesus in the Millennium, and the role of animal blood sacrifices. Never to the extent that I couldn’t fellowship with you or have you to my church.  I had always hoped this could become a teachable moment, (and it may yet be).

I think you would help a lot of people if you clearly, point by point took this subject up, answering, acknowledging or explaining on why you either were misunderstood, or perhaps where your detractors are right, or partially right, “Agree with thine adversaries quickly while you are on the way with them…“- Your friend and Brother, Pastor Bill

I welcome any thoughts, (as long as they are expressed in the Spirit of Jesus-








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54 Responses to One Helpful Suggestion ( …maybe)…an open Letter to David Nathan

  1. Chris Saunders says:

    There has been no clarity at all in this seeming argument, believers are either sitting back waiting for some, or they are saying oh well that’s what happens when you rely too much on so- called big teachers.
    Better to just get on with your walk and leave them to it.
    I think it has taught many not to rely too much on these two men in particular, but will this schism just Peter out, or can we see a clearing up and a reconciliation of some kinds…the scriptures are clear, we all know the confrontations that should take place between two stubborn men.

  2. As someone who is purely an observer of this whole thing, I must admit I was also rather confused by David Nathan’s response video. My conclusion was that he hadn’t actually addressed all the clips that Jacob Prasch had shown and indeed dismissed them as being taken out of context. It would have been far better and more convincing to me if he’d given correction and placed them in the correct context he thought they deserved. He failed to do that and made a sort of smoke screen with his own more positive clips! I hate to say this ( plus I had no idea who David Nathan was prior) but in my experience over many, many years as a lay Christian , truly concerned for thetruth, teachers/preachers who stray from the truth pretend, when challenged, that we’re the people who have got it all wrong, we’ve misunderstood them , it isn’t that big a deal anyway and they are very much ‘one of us’ still. Just my thoughts …..

  3. Anne says:

    I watched the GV247 video. I don’t believe it’s as clear an explanation as they believe it is. I did not hear David Nathan retract his teaching on the millenium, only say that he had learned that to discuss it publicly is contentious. That aside, If GV247 seek to bring impartial truth to this situation will they film a similar video with Mr Prasch allowing him to answer any questions that were raised about his own handling of the situation etc?

  4. Thanks for being a voice of good advice and reason

  5. DL Kennedy says:

    I appreciate your teaching, Pastor Randles. Thank you for your blog and your YouTube channel. Except for eschatology, I agree with Jacob Prasch on almost everything. However, his manner comes off as unloving. I think what he is saying about David Nathan is right, but I don’t see Jacob speaking the truth in love. I’ve listened to Jacob Prasch for years. I admire his passion. He reminds me of Phinehas, and Phinehas was praised for his zeal. However, all too often, Jacob rails and rants and mocks others in an ugly manner, and 1 Corinthians 5:11 warns us not to keep company with a railer. So I’m torn about Jacob Prasch. I believe David Nathan needs to repent of what he has said about several things, but especially what he has said about the blood of Jesus during the Millennium. David Nathan doesn’t seem to want to do that, though. I have come to consider him a false teacher. I consider Jacob Prasch a sound teacher for the most part, but I don’t believe he speaks the truth in love. I wish he would tone down his anger. He would be so much more effective if he would.

  6. William says:

    I’m confused about David Nathan’s teaching on the Millenium but his recent teaching on healing sounds seriously wrong. It even seems a bit grandiose when he talks about a woman being healed just by touching his jacket slung over his shoulder, and compares this with the healing of a woman who touched the hem of Jesus’ robe.

    • Esther says:

      (It wasn’t a recent teaching; that was filmed around 11 years ago), yes, it was re-uploaded more recently for whatever reason, but David made it clear he no longer holds to this view.

      • Maranatha! says:

        Esther. I may have missed that, but I didn’t hear David say he no longer believed in praying over cloths etc. However, if that were true, why would he upload that video just 3 months ago if he longer subscribed to such a practice?

  7. Freedom says:

    Sadly I am unsubscribing from both men as I can do without this contention when there are greater occultic problems in the Body of Christ. Jacob comes off unloving and blustery, I couldn’t even stand to watch his latest response. Many of us who are already resigned to the fact we do not understand many facts about the millennium are not concerned as I believe David has emphatically stated it is a teaching to be discussed but in this age it is the blood of Jesus.
    It is a shame. For me, I have unsubscribed from Moriel. I loved Jacobs teachings, but already had to cringe in Soo many places where he comes off rude and indignant. This has pushed me to unsubscribe. In all of this my heart is for the Body. It already has soo much to deal with, now this.

  8. Lori Gattuso says:

    Here is a more complete reply from David Nathan:

    • Lori Gattuso says:

      Whoops! That link was to the first response video. Here is the second response that is much more comprehensive:

      • Maranatha! says:

        Yes Lori, I watched that video and was even more disappointed. It made a lot of innuendos, half truths and untruths, also clips of videos had been edited to suit GV247,tv’s interview with David, and on top of all that they both evaded what the real issue is which is David’s teaching that the blood of Christ will profit nothing for anyone during the Millennial age, not this age we are now living in, but the Millennial age. I found it to be shocking. Jacob obviously had to respond to that one because of all of the above and more. In his response Jacob proves the wrongness of how conducted that interview with David. Here’s Jacob’s response: In Christ.

  9. Pat and Rebecca says:

    Someone commented about two stubborn men, but this is not merely about stubbornness this is about true or false teaching re the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. What David is teaching re the millennium and healing is false. What Jacob Prasch is teaching is truth. From the beginning Jacob was very clear, loving and concise but from the comments we have read we realise that some people seem to be unwilling to see this. As for his lastest video Jacob was becoming highly frustrated and grieved for not being understood. Anyone who has been blessed with his previous ministry has obviously recognised truth but over this matter seems unable to recognise it, and to unsubscribe from JP’s future videos seems to be prepared to cut off their nose to spite their face. Jacob is no respecter of persons and his fervency shows to us his ardent desire to speak the truth, defend the Gospel, care for the flock and come against falsehood. And we love him for all of this.

    • Maranatha! says:

      Very well and nicely put! I hope the person who unsucribed from Moriel will reconsider their actions. Jacob’s good work in the Lord should not be overlooked. He cares for both the sheep and the lambs, this is evident in his passion for the truth. May God bring about healing and reconciliation where it is still possible.

      • Freedom says:

        Hiya. I’m not going to reconsider. I have saved his teachings that have been valuable to me and will not discount them at all. But I have been selective even in this as I cannot stand to watch ones where he gets too loud and blustery or gets petty in his delivery. I’m all for naming names etc and I am glad for all I have learnt from him but I can’t excuse his attitude which I don’t think is always right. I have felt like this from the very beginning with him so this is not just because of this situation now.
        I do not want to watch the back and forth narrative from these two men. Thankfully the Lord has provided us with more than just these two to glean from.

      • Maranatha! says:

        Thanks for your reply. I can see this incident may turn away some from both parties. I’ve decided after today that I am going to take a ‘sabbatical’ from all social media and try to ‘lose’ myself in the word and prayer. When you think about it, the early believers didn’t have all this social media stuff anyway and various books galore! God bless!

      • Freedom says:

        Great idea Maranatha!
        That sounds like a great plan 😊
        God Bless

      • Maranatha! says:

        I’ll let you know how my ‘sabbatical’ goes! Until then, God bless you too and have a very blessed week ahead!

    • So do I; In all honesty I’ve always checked what J.P is teaching and never found him at fault; sometimes not very gentle, but he is concerned for the body, he’s had backlash from people who don’t like him for speaking the truth, and to unsubscribe to his videos is extreme, in my opinion.
      I do hope this is brought to a satisfactory conclusion.

      • Maranatha! says:

        Maureen I like your comments. And I’m with on being like the Bereans and checking everything with scripture. We have the Holy Spirit, THE TEACHER, who will give us checks in our spirit of something is amiss with a teaching. When I don’t understand something, I just don’t take it as being true. I ask the LORD who often will lead to a scripture that either confirms the teaching or that there is something amiss or not quite right with the teaching, so put it on hold.

      • I am not sure if this is relevant to the discussion about D.Nathan and J.Prasch, but it seems to me that if D.Nathan has posted videos to show he has changed his beliefs, when in fact he has not, then other facts should be taken in account. ,
        Some time ago I was told that D.Nathan had taught that true believers should not celebrate Christmas, it was all of Rome. The person who told me was very belligerent, and insisted what he had said was the only biblical thing to do. She had come out of the R.C. years before.
        Then some good friends of mine watched a D.Nathan video and he had said true Christians should not visit members of their family at Christmas if they were not born again.
        This is nowhere taught in Scripture, and I was rather perturbed by it. Only one other member of my family is saved. I wasn’t brought under condemnation because I did not believe this was truth, but some people (like my ex-Catholic friend) may be more easily led.
        I think I have reached a point where I must leave all this to one side for a while and do what I did at first, just read my bible.
        Good wishes to you all.

      • Maranatha! says:

        Maureen, your friend may be referring to this video by Nathan: “Debunking Christmas and other Demonic Deceptions”. I’ve actually just started to listen to it myself, to see what it’s about.

  10. Greg J says:

    3 The fining pot is for silver, and the furnace for gold: but the Lord trieth the hearts. Proverbs 17

    “I, the Lord, search the heart,I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways,
    According to the results of his deeds. Jeremiah 17:10

    8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. 9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. Proverbs 9

  11. CH Fisher says:

    I am not familiar with David Nathan, but I watched the clips of his statements regarding efficacy of the Blood of Christ during the Millennium. He declared that the Dispensation of Grace would end as the Millennium begins. It is a common belief. His conclusion was that there would be no grace during the Millennium, thus no application of the Blood of Christ.

    We do not know much about the Millennium, but we do know that throughout its duration Christ will rule the nations with a “rod of iron” (Revelation 2:27; 12:5; 19:15. I confess that I do not understand exactly what “rod of iron” means, but I opine that it means a strict rule with no tolerance for sin. (Isaiah 40:10).

    Dr. John Wolvrood wrote:
    “The second important characteristic of the millennial rule of Christ is that His government will be absolute in its authority and power. This is demonstrated in His destruction of all who oppose Him (cf. Ps 2:9; 72:9-11 ; Isa 11:4). Such an absolute rule, of course, is in keeping with the person and majesty of the King in whom is all the power and sovereignty of God.”

    One could conclude that the Millennium reign of Christ does not appear to be a government tempered by grace, which would allow for repentance and the blotting out of one’s sin via the Blood of Christ, and of course forgiveness. Israel was governed by Law with a degree of mercy. New Covenant Believers are governed/led by the Holy Spirit with grace. Is it heresy worthy of completely ruining someone’s ministry if he or she concludes that there would be theocratic authoritarian rule by Christ during the Millennium? In other words, instead of grace during this period, each one will immediately receive punishment for his or her deed(s).

    But do we know for certain what God’s government will be during the Millennium? I would not dare speculate lest I be deemed an unredeemable heretic for all time. However, David Nathan speculated. Was he establishing doctrine that he refused to deny, or clinging to conjecture that he felt the right to put forth as speculation?

    Whatever the case, if Jacob Prasch believed that David Nathan had committed heresy in his speculation, why wasn’t there a biblical response?

    “Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.” – Galatians 6:1

    Since Nathan was in Prasch’s ministry organization and under the Moriel covering, in my opinion Prasch should have lovingly corrected him. Instead—and I watched both videos—he branded him a heretic. Once someone with Prasch’s prominence applies that brand, it is near impossible to remove. It is in fact a death sentence to anyone’s ministry. Was there not a better way to deal with a friend and associate?

    I am sad to say that after observing Prasch for over two decades I cannot envision him ever going to anyone for the purpose of loving correction. Of course, that is simply my opinion and I could be completely wrong.

    • Maranatha! says:

      David was asked by Jacob/Moriel to submit clarification of his teaching that the blood of Jesus Christ will not profit anyone anything during the millennium. This is the issue. Jacob is very full on when it comes to error and falsehood, but so was the Apostle Paul. And no wonder because of the damage that erroneous or false teachings can cause the body of Christ. No wonder that the Lord issues a warning four times in Matthew to “Be not deceived” regarding falsehood. I’m hoping David will give clarification. That there will be resolve and reconciliation between all parties. “He died once for all”. In Christ.

    • Maranatha! says:

      CH Fisher. I don’t think any comments by JP were made to ruin a ministry. As JP himself stated at the outset regarding this matter, “it’s doctrinal not personal”. The problem as a simple believer that I have with David’s teaching is this: on pastor Randells Q&A posted last year, regarding the efficacy of the blood of Christ during the millennial reign, David said it was just his opinion but on his teaching video (I watched it some weeks ago) on the Millennium, he taught very clearly that absolutely “The blood of Christ will profit anyone anything in the Millennium” & that people of the Millennial age will “come under some form of the Mosaic Law”. He taught that very emphatically. So at the Q&A it was an “opinion” but in his teaching on the subject it was doctrinal. That is a huge, huge problem, especially from someone who is teaching Christ’s flock. Not to mention his teaching video from 11 years ago, which he re-posted just this year in June/July, teaching that believers can pray over cloths and the cloths will then have “the anointing” to heal” those who need healing” (another video I watched myself). Good pastors according to scripture, will protect and watch out for the flock. This I have found thus far is what Jacob does and is very passionate about doing so.

      • Maranatha! says:

        CH Fisher. Sorry for the typo in my previous comment which should read David’s teaching comment: “The blood of Christ will NOT profit anyone anything”.

      • Lori Gattuso says:

        If it were a doctrinal issue and not a personal issue why JP’s second video, overlying Benny Hinn footage with Mr. Nathan’s sermon? This is nothing more than public reviling. I have also unsubscribed to Mr. Prasch. If he would do that to Mr. Nathan he will eventually do it to someone else, and the bible is clear that we are not to have fellowship with mockers (1 Corinthians 5:11). Not that I am anyone, but God cares and God knows.

        And as the things in the millennial kingdom, Jesus will be there….why do we have to excommunicate someone over it, especially when he has the scripture to make his point?

  12. Treena Gisborn says:

    The primary requirement for anyone pronouncing judgement on another is that they do not have the same or a worse sin in their own lives. In fact it is promised that hypocritical judgements upon others will bring about judgement upon ourselves. Jacob Prasch has put himself in a very perilous position before God a number of times, but it seems to have peaked out in his attack upon David Nathan.

    Prasch’s intra seal theory is a preposterous denial of the gospel! It is the perverse doctrine that cuts the people off from God during the final seven years of history, the period known as Daniel’s seventieth week. It is important to make the distinction that David Nathan’s millennium view was taught as his own opinion. On the other hand, intra-seal has been taught by Prasch several times categorically. Intra-seal is more dangerous than David Nathan’s error about the millennium since it concerns the salvation of people in this age, rather than the millennium. Prasch teaches John Nelson Darby’s pre-trib error that the Holy Spirit is the “restrainer” of 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3. There is absolutely no foundation for this view in the scriptures. Prasch teaches that the Holy Spirit will be taken from the world, that there will be no church, there will be no gospel, that grace will come to an end, that there will be no conviction of sin for these final seven years. Where does it say any of these things in the scriptures? Shall we write off evangelism and unbelievers during the 70th week on Prasch’s say so?

    “Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.” (Romans 2:1 cf . John 8:7).

    • Maranatha! says:

      Just several weeks ago I watched David’s video teaching on the Millennim. He definitely taught that it was doctrinal, I’ve watched it and heard it and he was not giving an opinion. He said about The Millennium: “The blood of Jesus Christ will not profit anyone anything…..people during the Millennium will come under a type of the Mosaic Law…”. That is what he said. However, on the Q&A forum held at Pator Randalls church, that is when David said that it was his opinion, and that is also when Pastor Randalls intervened to say it was inconceivable for him to believe the blood of Christ will not be for those in the Millennium also – I watched that video too. By David’s two diffetent statements from the Q&A session and his teaching it as doctrine on the Millennium video, he contradicts himself. And that is not a wrong judgement, it is based solely on David’s own words. This issue is doctrinal, sadly people are making it personal.

  13. Anne says:

    Danny Isom wrote an excellent article at the start of all this.

    It’ describes exactly what is happening all over social media.

    Click to access 10-YouTube_Syndrome.pdf

  14. Maranatha! says:

    A very good article! This whole situation should serve to encourage all true believers in Christ to be like the Bereans and check everything against the actual Word of God! One of Jacob’s quote that resounds with me is “Satan is preparing the apostate church for the Antichrist, and the Holy Spirit is preparing the faithful Church for the return of Christ.

  15. I think Pastor Randles is right to try to implore David Nathan to clarify his position and get to the crux of the matter. God is not the author of confusion.

    Nathan also needs to be specific about his repentance. In the GV247 video he just says he apologizes if he’s done anything wrong. I think if he would clearly state his sin/false teaching and apologize then there could be true healing and restoration.

    Until or unless David Nathan gives a clear explanation of what he taught and how it was wrong (or that he still believes his position is true) the Body of Christ will continue to be agitated. A true shepherd will do as Pastor Randles advised and calm the sheep.

  16. midrashcreed says:

    Although I’m with Bill and Jacob on this issue, I just find it sad that this whole business is dragging on as it is – especially as they’re so many other important matters to be getting on with. What a devilish diversion it all is!

  17. Mark H says:

    The best comment on here so far is by CH Fisher who rightly points out that Christ’s rule during the millennium will be with a rod of iron over sinners, suggesting the time of grace is at an end. Now I ask you, how on earth can anyone be saved in the millennium in the same way as we are, when satan has been imprisoned and is not around to tempt people until he is released again at the end of the thousand years? This means people of the millennium would not have the same level of temptation to endure as we have in this age, they would only be having to deal with their innate original sin, but not the additional pressure and temptations that satan and his demons foist upon us in this present age, because satan and his demons are not longer around. So far no-one has mentioned this very important detail.
    So it would be quite in order to wonder if the blood of Jesus, which is definitely everlasting, has been ‘put on hold’ as it were, until satan is released again to sway and cause people to sin once more. That would then put the millennial people on a level playing field as us regarding temptation, but until then ‘being saved’ would have no real meaning since the millennials are not being tempted to the same level as we are, and they have Jesus Christ himself visibly right in front of them, which we don’t have.
    Therefore, being ‘saved’ could never mean to a millennial what it means to us, since the conditions are completely different. When satan is released again, then the conditions will be the same and they can get saved through the blood of Jesus in the same way as us.
    This means the sacrificial system which has been re-introduced may simply be a temporary ‘covering’ atonement just like it was in the time of Moses. Don’t forget too that almost no-one will die during the millennium due to the long ages returning (Isaiah 65:20), so they can all choose (or not) to avail themselves of the everlasing blood of Jesus at the end of the millennium, when they have been put under the same level of satanic temptation as we endure now.
    I welcome further comment on these things, we should all be coming here to learn and I’m sure there are other points to be made that we may not have thought of.
    May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you all.

  18. Weary says:

    Elsewhere this is being portrayed as a separation that God is bringing about between the “followers” of the two men. With only those who dissociate from Mr Prasch classed as passing the test, being part of the remnant or possibly even being Christian at all. It is divisive, loaded and unfair language and someone needs to address it quickly before it causes a lot more damage to the ordinary Christians for whom Christ died also and who are free to make up their own mind about this situation without this indictment being levelled against them .

    • Treena Gisborn says:

      Where exactly? Can you give the link please?

      • Maranatha! says:

        I’m not sure who your reply is to, but if it’s to me ref the video I’m not sure how to copy the link on my phone. Just go on YouTube search engine for: “Eschatology, The Millennium Part 11 David Nathan”. There is also a part 12. I don’t remember which part his teaching on the efficacy of Christ’s blood is on, but probably part 11.

      • Treena Gisborn says:

        My reply/question is to Weary… thanks Maranatha.

    • Maranatha! says:

      That’s what happens when believers follow men instead of Christ Jesus, isn’t it. The Apostle Paul wrote about such divisions in 1 Corinthians 3. It’s alarming to see this actually happening. May God intervene and bring about His order in this matter.

      • RLV says:

        1 Corinthians 11:19 comes to mind in all this. I think people do not realize that Moriel tried repeatedly to get Mr Nathan to clarify his position PRIVATELY before all of this blew up. I realize I am parroting some of the folks who have posted already but I have to say that I understand there are people who do not like Jacob’s confrontational style; however, from my understanding the ppl at Moriel did try to get this cleared up before this all went public. Jacob has the guts (and in my opinion, the chops) to take on some pretty big people and I am so grateful for his courage. For years he has had a big target in his back for speaking out about “teachers/pastors” who were/are leading people astray. I don’t follow men but I am so glad there are people brave enough to speak out, especially in this day and age when people can be very brave behind a keyboard. I will continue to thank God for teachers like Jacob and Pastor Bill who are not afraid to call out heretical teaching. The Lord knows those who are his and those being guided by the Holy Spirit will not stay in error.

      • Treena Gisborn says:

        That would all be very “righteous” if Prasch were not associating with known ecumenicals. David Noakes Moriel Scottish Conference in November and his “first person” extra biblical prophecies for instance! Clifford Hill/Issachar Ministries is an ecumenical set up. Prasch’s approval of ecumenical Chuck Smith and also Billy Graham’s ministry recently. Too many ecumenical associations are showing up with Moriel. Planks and splinters I think.

      • Pat and Rebecca says:

        Amen to everything you’ve said.

      • Pat and Rebecca says:

        Amen to everything you’ve said RLV

    • Treena Gisborn says:

      I think you need to be specific Weary if this is true? I cannot find such a “portrayal” anywhere on the internet!!

  19. Treena Gisborn says:

    Prasch has now resorted to more covert means of attacking David Nathan via their newsletter..

  20. YBagley says:

    I am grieved. When someone who is teaching stumbles God corrects him and he recants and repents. This storm has shown me I have to become even more dependent on the LORD, especially on those days when my mind is cloudy and I am tongue tied. I am so thankful for God’s Word and for learning about inductive Bible study for this kept me from being destroyed by accepting someone’s teachings of God’s who eventually slides in opinions without scriptural support. I did not want to believe David Nathan meant to cause harm of this magnitude, but I am saddened by his slow-to-come and confusing recant. So I pray for him.

    Through all this an old wound has been opened that only God is healing, yet I am thankfull there are still people to fellowship with and teachers who are humble who desire to rightly divide God’s wotd.

  21. ANONYMOUS says:

    Pastor Randles. I implore you (or anyone else who feels led) to intervene between Jacob Prasch and Deborah Menelaws/Studio Scotland before they rip each others hearts out and publicly devour one another. If it’s not already too late.

  22. Treena Gisborn says:

    There are very serious problems on BOTH sides of this situation and I believe that a number of errors are now being exposed.

    Did God The Father Create Anything? (Jacob Prasch)

    This video corrects David Nathan’s false teaching that God The Father is not the Creator.

    On this video Prasch also rejects David Nathan’s teaching that a personal word from the Lord is co-equal with the written Word of God. I agree – since we test everything by scripture.. but where do the so called “prophecies” from ecumenist David Noakes stand? Noakes shares a platform with Prasch and actually has the presumption to speak in the first person of the Lord. If someone speaks in the first person of the Lord, then we can surmise that the Lord Himself speaking through that “prophet”? If the Lord Himself speaks something then it is co-equal with the written word surely?

    Comments are closed on this video or I would ask the question.
    Clarification from Jacob Prasch on this subject would be appreciated.

  23. midrashcreed says:

    Meanwhile, amidst
    amidst all these backbiting quibbles, countless souls are going to Hell. Not merely sad but tragic!

  24. Keith Williams says:

    Totally agree with your comments Bill. The same issue about the sufficiency of the blood of Jesus was quickend by the the Holy Spirit when I heard this on a Favid Nathan teaching dvd

  25. Kate Stevens says:

    Following Bill’s lead, a chap called John Cambridge has just sent a superb Open Letter to David Nathan which, as far as I can see, ends the whole debate:

    Click to access ae0d2a_ee65166dca98475f9169d78602008591.pdf

  26. davidhnathan says:

    15th October 2018
    Dear Pastor Bill
    Thank you for the spirit in which your open letter has been written and the grace extended to me, to publicly express my position and understanding of animal sacrifices and the Blood of Christ in the Millennium which has caused much unwanted consternation and strife amongst the brethren. This was never my intention and if I could, I would turn the clock back and do things very differently. I also want to apologise publicly if I appeared to come across in the teachings as arrogant and prideful as I certainly never intended be, for my desire is to reflect Jesus at all times although I am aware I often fall short.

    Sadly this unpleasant circumstance has exposed the hearts of numerous believers and many have brought a serious indictment against the Church of Jesus because of their conduct and responses, I do not exclude myself.
    For this, I cannot take the blame exclusively as there is a correct and biblical way to deal with disagreement and error which was not followed. I do not write this as a justification or a defence but rather as a warning that what has transpired between myself and Moriel must never be repeated again for sake of our testimony to the world and those of the flock who have been badly shaken.

    To begin with, I want to acknowledge that I made some very dogmatic statements which instead of giving emphasis to what I was try to explain, had the complete opposite effect and misconstrued what I was trying to convey. For this, I want to unreservedly and wholeheartedly apologise for.
    I am extremely grateful that you acknowledge that I do not teach that there is salvation except through the shed blood of Jesus and that the whole concern is regarding the Blood of Jesus and salvation in the Millennium alone.

    The statement which I should not have made but rather should have sought to express myself very differently and that folk have objected to is, “The Blood of Jesus will not profit anyone, anything in the Millennium.”
    In using this phrase, which I regret, I was not stating that the Blood of Jesus does not cleanse in all ages as this would be a clear violation of scripture. His blood alone can take away sin and every sacrifice from Genesis 3:21, when the Lord clothed Adam and Eve in tunics of skin to the sacrifices of the Millennium all point to Jesus. In the teaching I kept using the word atone to describe the purpose of the millennial sacrifices in the sense that they do not remove sin but cover sin. I reiterate again that I do not teach nor believe that the sin of an animal or animals can ever remove sin. Not under the Old Testament, not now nor in the age to come. Only the Blood of Jesus can remove sin both now and forever, including the millennium. This is and has always been what I have believed though I did not express it succinctly in the series on Eschatology.

    I only offer the above as an explanation of why I used the phrase and not as an excuse for trying to justify using it. I was wrong to use it as it does not, nor ever did convey what I actually believe regarding the eternal cleansing power of the Blood of Jesus which alone removes sin for all ages.
    I sincerely apologise for misrepresenting my beliefs and using a phrase that instead of explaining what I believed rather distorted them and led to confusion among believers and dissension between myself and Moriel Ministries. Moriel TV very unfortunately produced a highly edited video that took various statements that I had made out of context which only exasperated the issue. (They have done this on more than one occasion since Tim Wirth was replaced)
    The motive for this remains unclear as in response to my meeting with Jacob in May, Jacob Prasch himself admitted in an email dated 22 July 2018, and I quote, “The best I could gauge the situation personally was that he partially misrepresented his own actual beliefs in the manner he addressed an important theological issue and was to some degree misunderstood. David Nathan does subscribe to the Moriel statement of Faith that The Blood of Christ cleanses from all Sin.”
    I add this not as an excuse for poorly communicating my beliefs as already mentioned but rather to evidence that for reasons never disclosed, Moriel TV sought fit to produce a biased video that exaggerated the error out of context.

    I have already and will continue to re-edit these teachings to remove anything that contradicts what I have conveyed above.

    Regarding Moriel’s video comparing me to Benny Hinn in an old teaching I did in 2009. I want to state that I no longer believe what I taught and berate myself for still even believing that in 2009.
    I can categorically state that I absolutely do not teach this anymore and I have edited the video in question to reflect this and will go through old teachings to make sure that this does not appear. I have issued an apology already for this and gladly do it again.

    I do hope that this letter serves to remind us all that none of us is above correction nor do any one of us know all truth as Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 13:12 but we are all to be teachable and be willing to learn. Where we err we must repent and apologise where necessary.

    Thank you Pastor Bill for making this platform available.

    May the Lord continue to mature us and keep us by His grace until we all come to the knowledge of the truth.

    Blessings in Jesus who alone bore our sins and purchased eternal life for them that will believe,

    David Nathan.

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