The Menelaws Are My Friends

As my readers know, I have been involved in the ongoing debate concerning certain statements made by David Nathan which I and many others consider to be heretical. I have tried to help clear up any misunderstandings wherever I felt I could,as well as attempting to be fair and give the benefit of the doubt wherever possible.

Contrary to the opinions of a good many I have always maintained that I do not agree with the way people are being spoken of and treated in this debate by Jacob and certain Moriel reps. I have just tried to avoid going there, seeing the doctrinal issues of primary concern. Everyone knows that public relations aren’t Moriel’s strong point, but this goes too far.

However As this debate has shifted into a discussion of the Motives and actions of Stewart and Debbie Menelaws, I am forced to have to distance myself. I cannot stand by as they are portrayed as greedy, self serving, and even heretical, 

I have always maintained that Stewart’s interview with David was inadequate, failing to ask the specific questions that would have either allowed David to clear up the concerns raised or would have forced him to be specific in what he believes.

But I have attributed to Stewart the best of motives in it knowing him to be a peace loving brother trying to help a bad situation.

Even when Stewart posted the small excerpt from the Q/A at my church, but didn’t include the previous segment of teaching by David which we all objected to, I didn’t and do not attribute dishonesty to Stewart in that.God alone knows the secrets of men’s hearts.

This has been a painful situation to the body of Christ, a tragedy!

I simply have to draw the line when the Menelaws are portrayed by a cheap shot cut and paste of a picture surrounded by hundred dollar bills. I am all for debate and discussion, but not character assassination. I know the Menelaws, and have been a guest in their house, they live simply, and seek to promote the gospel. 

Furthermore it is unconscionable to post pictures equating the Menelaws with ,Jim and Tammy and the Crouch’s,they just aren’t in that category.

Many have sought to pressure me to take a side in this debate and have taunted me and challenged me to be even in my input, as if I am some kind of a referee at a prizefight. I am not taking sides, my side is with the Body of Christ, and the cause of truth,  I am not a partisan for any other side. My concern has been doctrinal, others can discuss politeness or the lack thereof, God didn’t call me to be the umpire.

But I don’t think the Menelaws merit being represented this way, I think I know them,  they, like the rest of us are trying to process this mess in the best way they can and need lots of prayer, as does the body of Christ.

In Jesus name, pas bill randles

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45 Responses to The Menelaws Are My Friends

  1. midrashcreed says:

    Bill, you sound like someone who’s had to deal with Donald Trump in one of his more sociopathic moments. My deepest sympathies.

  2. marc4freedom says:

    Thank you for this email brother.  We just finished watching Jacob about you current topic.  I was glad to see Jacob being more reserved but my wife and I thought the optics and the speech concerning motives was not right since that is determining motives.We are praying for everyone involved and affected by this division.  I am praying that those needing correction would receive and accept correction & that those needing to be humbled would humble themselves before God, and be loving and forgiving. In these end times we need be of one mind and spirit in the Lord, and to reconciled in truth (God’s Word) and to avoid division in The Church of Jesus.  In Jesus Christ, Marc

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

  3. Treena Gisborn says:

    You have been in a very difficult position Bill Randles and you have pleasantly surprised me. I will continue to pray and I look forward to your thoughts on JP’s intra-seal and Omer teachings in due course.
    God bless you.

  4. Shalom brother. You have and continue to conduct yourself with utmost integrity and honesty. Not politicking but correcting false claims and impressions about yourself. God bless you brother.

  5. allison allison says:

    Pastor Bill you continue to command my respect as a disciple of Jesus Christ. Thank you for your maturity and love of Truth as this public display of Christian immaturity, selfishness and total disregard for one another bubbles further in the eyes of the non-Christian world. How sad this must make Jesus as He witnesses His children displaying the very characteristics of nonbelievers – those He wants so desperately to speak to. As Christians we can all see ourselves in every participant of this story and instead of making easy and fast judgements, we must offer Biblical remedies and compassion in assisting them in coming to the knowledge of ALL falling short of the glory of God recognizing none of us is better than the other. The Christian answer is always Jesus, and Jesus alone; Christ crucified for each of our sins. As a community we are so quick to shoot one another when they have fallen and I understand this appeals to our human nature and fleshly desire to elevate ourselves while forgetting our recent stumbles and failures. This is an ongoing struggle here on earth, but we alone as a community have the answer – Jesus. Thank you for being a witness to His great Love.

  6. Sharon Nordstrom says:

    Dear Pastor Randles,

    I have followed your teaching for several years now, and have read the books you’ve written. Thank you for having done that. I feel that God has used you to help keep the remnant church from falling into error.

    However, as sad as this situation is for you personally, I am so glad to read your opinion of Moriel ministries and Jacob Prasch. I was getting worried that you were not able to see Jacob’s harshness in the way he treats others.

    Thank you for this clarification, it was much needed in my opinion.

    Sharon Nordstrom ________________________________

  7. Dave says:

    Hi, I have no part or historical involvement in any of your fellowship’s challenges associated with Mr Nathan etc… However, I am seeking to know the Lord in reality and in truth. There is very slim pickings regarding biblical based fellowships across my community. Certainly, Christ is drawing people to Himself, but the fellowships, the leadership, the decipleship isn’t there (where I live- country). I rely on the Lord Jesus first and foremost: the Logos and the Holy Spirit, and the Ministries of Mr Randles and Mr Prasch for evangelism, doctrine and to a point due to the challenges of the internet, pastoral guidance-teaching. Your responsibility to the truth, to the Lord and His sheep is mightily important between these core Ministries. Reputations are important, but the shaking that appears to be going on among you, will God willing, result in the qualities of the Lord being evident while His reputation is humbly and peacefuly preserved. Certainly, Paul corrected error, in today’s internet generation these issues should perhaps be dealt with privately and articulated together rather than these postings on the platform of these secular technological systems. The seeds that seem to have been sown through Mr Nathan’s heretical errors seem to be causing deeper misguided problems. You’ve all made your points clear, time to move on. The secular world behaves like this. Emotion should perhaps be set aside, unite in doctrinal truth. Christians, true children of God are growing with support from both your ministries, please meet up and communicate face to face, move forward prayerfully with wisdom, the world is watching. I have thrusted for the Truth your Ministries (Mr Randles and Mr Prasch) provide, that thirsting and growth has been long awaited due to the times we are living in and the Christendom of this fallen world. The secular world doesn’t behave this way, certainly among men of your stature, whom much has been given. In love, Coram Deo.

  8. kim segar says:

    I love you Bill and your teachings all ring true to G-d.s word… there is lots of this type of thing going on , as G-d said He would let evil rise they can be exposed. So much apostasy all around, I will pray and thank G-d for you, thank you for your attitude, and love for the truth. amen

  9. kim segar says:

    Bill could you send me the information article on Howard R. Brown, I want to read it, so many people are still into that cult . and other false teachers. but would like to read it. thank you .

  10. Moriel’s silence in some of these issues would have been a way better tactic than trading punches for no reason.

  11. RLV says:

    I can tell that I will be in the minority here but I have a viewpoint that has not been expressed and may be something some of you may want to consider.
    I wonder how many people who are leaving comments actually have watched the videos Moriel posted regarding the Menalaws, specifically the one posted on 11/30. I found Jacobs’s argumentsto be scripturally founded. I wonder if some of the complaints regarding how Jacob addresses these issues are because he was born and raised in close proximity to New York, and, as such, his confrontational style is very much how someone from New York acts argues a point. I am sure if he were from some area in the South, he may argue with gentility. It is silly to divorce someone’s cultural background from how they interact and relate or argue a point. I think it’s also the reason he does not shy away from naming names. I’ve known quite a few people from that area of the country and that is how they argue a point. It seems to me that the Menalaws interjected themselves into this dispute and let’s look at the facts here. David Nathan is in the wrong, period. Why they chose to give him a platform in the first place is beyond me. Also, if Jacob has related what happened with the sale of the Daniel movie correctly, it surely would not be the first time that a bit of wealth turned a Christian’s head and I find that very sad indeed as I liked the Daniel Project and had high hopes for the movie and did donate to the film project.

    To all those who are saying “it’s a terrible witness to the unsaved” the unsaved don’t need an excuse to mock or ridicule us. If we were perfect they would still find fault. I’ve seen arguments about “They are fighting while people are going to hell.” Does their argument stop you from sharing he Gospel? It doesn’t stop me. One last thing, I admire Jacob and the people who are not afraid to take a stand and tell the truth in a culture where the unvarnished truth has become hate speech. His mistake was not vetting the guy but I find nothing wrong on how he’s dealt with the fallout. I love Pas Bill and I love Jacob as brothers in Christ. The true tragedy would be if this nonsense caused them to fall out.

    • Mi Salvacion says:

      My sentiments EXACTLY!! Bill, I do not believe you watched the entire video otherwise you would NOT have written this nonsense!!

    • Dave says:

      I agree with much of your saying! Motives must be recognised, specifically our own. God knows our heart, it’s condition and the motives of our thoughts. Feeding into the division that the enemy is sowing is wrong. These mature ministers should be communicating face to face. I trust this is the case, texting, emails and these platforms can feed further misconception and misunderstanding. Make things right between you.

  12. standingfirm says:

    As followers of Christ we should always correct doctrinal error. It should not be done in a spirit of meanness or attacking a persons character. Unless some one is not outright seen to be “greedy” they should not be labeled as such. God hates slander and back biting. This kind of thing is also happening in families right now! I pray the Lord come back soon.

  13. Tom says:

    In all of these events it would seem the underlying thing to me is the enemy using this to create disunity among those who see themselves as true followers of Jesus.i think many are sickened by the severity of the conflicts and as we cannot see the hearts of people we are left wondering. I would caution all to be very careful in coming to conclusions but rather be in prayer to the Lord for discernment and understanding.Sometimes I think we all strive to much to be perfect in every situation and in doing so lose sight of a bigger picture. I have been so wrong many times in life and the grace of God has brought me through. The biggest thing I see that comes out of this moving forward is an unhealthy scepticism of anyone confronting erroneous teaching if every hair on their head isn’t perfect. How do you do it effectively? The time is short and we cannot sugarcoat and spoon feed everything. I am very sad that a bubble has been burst but I think I know now not to trust much of anything but what the Lord ministers to me directly and the rest is subject to interpretation because the enemy has succeeded in ruining the credibility of all just like we see in politics. Thanks Pastor Bill for sharing your heart I’m sure you wish this Pandoras box was never opened but it was inevitable. Grace to you!

  14. DMarie says:

    “I am not taking sides, my side is with the Body of Christ, and the cause of truth, I am not a partisan for any other side. My concern has been doctrinal, others can discuss politeness or the lack thereof…”

    Amen. Our battle is NOT against mere flesh and blood.

    Some here have said that this dialogue should not be taking place on a public forum…
    however, if the teaching has been public, then the rebuke/correction should be as well.
    There is nothing wrong with publicly confronting error by naming names and exposing lies with the Light of the Word of God. We are, in fact, called to do just this for the sake of the flock.
    As far as personalities go – yes, we must see beyond the human presentations, understanding that there are different backgrounds, and different “giftings” we are dealing with within the Body. As long as what is said is spoken ‘in love’ – that is the key, otherwise we are just “clanging symbols” and a loud, obnoxious noise to those who are perishing. We all fall this way at times – hopefully this will keep us humble in our walk and witness.
    (to be completely honest, I have struggled to try to listen to JP as his approach seems somewhat condescending and even mean at times – I do not see that to be helpful to the Body, or outsiders who may be listening – even if the teaching is biblical. I do believe he needs to humble himself in this regard.)

    As someone correctly stated above – the unbelieving would find fault with the Body even if we were perfect… and we surely are not. Praise the LORD, He is bigger than our mistakes and our misrepresentations of His character and His Truth at times. We are human and He is All-powerful to reveal Himself to those who desire to know Him. Still, we are accountable and must be careful to speak the truth in love. If the Word of God offends, so be it. Let it not be ‘us’ who is offensive.

    Judgment begins in the House of the Lord – so these types of situations are to be expected, as hard as they are to navigate. The Lord is refining His Bride, and teaching her to persevere in her trust for Him alone. Thank you, Bill for keeping the focus on Him, as it should be.

    To the unbelievers who may read this… Jesus is alive – He is THE ONLY Redeemer – and He is coming oh-so-soon to judge the living and the dead. Please, please, cry out to Him for Truth and mercy upon your soul… He is so willing to extend His hand to you! Do not allow ‘our human frailty’ to cause you to doubt Him. Yes, we may stumble at times… But ….
    “He who believes in Him WILL NEVER be disappointed!” – Amen 🙂

    • Patrick O'Callaghan says:

      I understand, Jacob can be abrasive, I have been bothered by it at times, but he is not a false teacher. I don’t believe Jacob vetted D. Nathan thoroughly. when appointing him.
      However, its impossible to be neutral, sit on the fence, if your truly love truth. The Menelaws have a great deal of power and influence over people, due to their media outlets. It’s important when they (just like anyone else within the body) give credence to heretical doctrine (or heretics), to reprove them.
      On this occasion they are putting a friendship (or ‘love’) above truth, in my view – and careful study of their words prove it. I dont agree though that the motive is money. I guess time will tell. They were due to host D.Nathan in Nov. last for a Scottish conference – having invited him to the UK – and it fell through. They knew Jacob would not be agitated by this – so why didn’t they contact him to discuss the problems/issues they disagreed on (Mat. 18) ? It was like pouring a tin of petrol onto burning embers
      . David Nathans own website – videos defending himself from Moriel – still upholds the Jesus Only doctrine (Christ only creating all things). see the video. ‘The Phoney Argumentation of Jacob…..’ It upholds the ‘Jesus Only’ heresy.

  15. G J says:

    The Gospel Is Preached… What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice.

    12 Now I want you to know, brethren, that my circumstances have turned out for the greater progress of the gospel, 13 so that my imprisonment in the cause of Christ has become well known throughout the whole praetorian guard and to everyone else, 14 and that most of the brethren, trusting in the Lord because of my imprisonment, have far more courage to speak the word of God without fear. 15 Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife, but some also from good will; 16 the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel; 17 the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition rather than from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment.18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice, 19 for I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayers and the provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, 20 according to my earnest expectation and hope, that I will not be put to shame in anything, but that with all boldness, Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. Philippians 1

    • H.H. says:

      Amen! These have been the verses on my mind through this entire ordeal! I have been reluctant to speak at all, observing and reading and praying mostly, as the circumstances have unfolded regarding D. Nathan, J. Prasch, and other Moriel affiliates. I give praise to God that through this entire situation the body of Christ is able to watch and observe those who are faithfully living out obedience to Christ. What a wonderful opportunity to learn how to live out Christ in ALL THINGS! Surely, we are all in the body of Christ facing these types of situations in the world, also, among those believers and unbelievers whom we are coming in contact with – family, friends, coworkers, etc. – and we must know how to deal with these issues Biblically. This has become an excellent modern-day example for living out the Word and being obedient to Christ while sharing the gospel! Christ is proclaimed! HalleluYah!

      • Greg J says:

        Paul rejoiced when the gospel was spread no matter the motive.

        How a man reacts, tells a lot. Is there a lot of… me… I… in the dialogue… or… Him… Christ… God? Is there anger… or… quietly rejoicing unto the Lord? Are we grabbing for the cloak… or… letting them have it… striking back… or… letting them take their shots? Don’t say it’s easy… it doesn’t sting – it’s not easy being a Christian.

        24 Do not associate with a man given to anger; Or go with a hot-tempered man, 25 Or you will learn his ways And find a snare for yourself. Proverbs 22 (NASB)

  16. Pastor Bill, I wait eagerly for your messages. I don’t have access to a Biblical church. I Have also been listening to JP and DN for a long time. It was through JP that I found you and DN. Like others, I have been heartsick over this whole debacle. Thank you for staying true to our Lord in all of this.

    As of the time if my writing this comment, the Moriel TV YouTube channel has reposted their latest video “Filthy Lucre & The Mark Of The Beast” without the $100 bills strewn all over the picture. Maybe someone over there realised what poor taste that was. I hope they rethink all of the nasty videos that has been posted. I don’t know if JP is the leader there, or if he is more of a “talking head” that is being used by Moriel. Either way, I hope it stops. You know him personally, so I guess you know the answer to that.

    In Christ,

  17. Anonymous. says:

    Jacobs behaviour is completely indefensible. That being said people were having issues with David Nathan BEFORE Jacob said anything. Their comments are scattered all over this debacle IF people care to look. They are often deleted if posted on sights which defend David Nathan..for instance the comment mentioned in the very sad video this post is referring to disappeared from a relevant Facebook site after the video was published (it was there in the early hours of the videos release, I know because I saw it)…deleted by who knows who for who knows what reason. For all the talk of many about concern for the sheep who are undoubtedly being hurt by this, does anybody care about these particular sheep? If their comments are genuine has anyone asked them what it is that has really gone on? No. Everyone is too busy arguing or point scoring or deciding where a brother or sister stands in all this and wether they get to stay in the “right” or “wrong” list according to their viewpoint.

  18. Kate Stevens says:

    Bill, I reckon a very telling test of the Menelaws will be their response to this extraordinary and clearly God-ordained Open Letter that was sent to David Nathan yesterday:

    • billrandles says:

      I agree Kate, they tell me they are already distancing themselves from David…

      • Anonymous. says:

        So they privately admit that Jacob was actually right to call attention to David Nathan’s teaching after all? (though clearly against all that followed). Will they make that public?

      • billrandles says:

        I have maintained all along that Jacob was right about David Nathan. My endorsement of the Menelaws as friends doesn’t mean that I agree with all of their positions. I just dd it out of embarrassment at the invective and vitriol pointed at them, and not wanting to have any identification with that. Just because we disagreed about Nathan doesn’t mean I do not love them and hope for the best for them. This whole process is a disgrace on so many levels, because though it is done in the name of Truth, there has been such a lack of love displayed against people like Sally Richardson and the Menelaws.

        On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 1:29 PM Pastor Bill Randles Blog wrote:


      • Anonymous. says:

        I understand your position and that you love all involved with the love of Christ. That has always been obvious. It was not my point to cast any doubt on that. I just wondered if (despite all the awfulness) it would be acknowledged (not by you) that Jacob did at least have a correct instinct about some bad doctrine with potential to harm the body. Who knows what damage (on both sides) that could initiate a repair of.

      • billrandles says:

        Yes indeed Jacob was and is right about David Nathan and righT to do what he had to do. You will be happy to hear that there is another witness to this coming out with a complete report of Nathan’s errors and repeatedly vindicating Jacob and Mariel by name.

        On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 2:29 PM Pastor Bill Randles Blog wrote:


      • Anonymous. says:

        By another witness do you mean the document linked above, or someone in addition to that?

    • Patrick O'Callaghan says:

      The letter’s contents on the link above only addresses the prayer cloth/clothing false anointing thing, that I could see. Unfortunately many don’t put ‘much’ into that issue. Bill, with respect, in his open letter to David N. on 12/10/18 was more focused on the blood of Christ insufficiency issue (forgive me if my memory is flawed in any way) and put the pray-cloth stuff to one side. There’s so much false teaching on [supposed] anointed books, teachers, meetings [endless list]….and just about everything else these days
      According to Jacob P. , that teaching was not 11 yrs old because David re-issued the teaching video on anointing prayer cloths/clothing a yr ago (I believe it was 1 yr from memory anyway).
      Proof there was no deep nor lasting repentance: David is also defending his Jesus only heresy on his Bread of Life website (and also the ‘blood issue’, which he now states was only a personal theory) by uploading independent videos from a Scottish speaker – eg, ‘The Phoney Argumentation of Jacob Prasch’, found on his website link
      Unfortunately, GVtv 24/7 is, even this week/10 days on Facebook, insisting David N. ‘ fully apologised’ so is acceptable to them (paraphrasing mine).

      • Patrick O'Callaghan says:

        Edit. I can see It was important of Bill to pursue the blood of Christ insufficiency issue in his open letter to David N.. I recognised the need to centre on that…

      • Kate Stevens says:

        Patrick, you write, “The letter’s contents on the link above only addresses the prayer cloth/clothing false anointing thing, that I could see.” But surely the letter is really about the ungodly *techniques* Nathan uses to propagate teachings such as these – especially his systematic abuse of Holy Writ. Please bear in mind too that the letter points readers to an article listing many, many other documented concerns, not just with Nathan’s other teachings but with his unbiblical methods of promoting those teachings.

  19. Patrick O'Callaghan says:

    Dear Bill, you stated in an open letter on 12th October 2018, the GV247 interview Stewart Menelaws gave David Nathan was ”excellent”. (definition eg, unsurpassed, first class).
    Yet in your blog of 4 days ago, you (in direct contrast state),
    ” I have always maintained that Stewart’s interview with David was inadequate” (Inadequate meaning, eg, faulty, unfit, lacking, etc).
    So with great respect you have not ”always” had the same view. The GV24/7interview was slanted and loaded against J. Prasch – not neutral. Stewart was also asking slanted questions to get words of regret from D Nathan (at the same time stating as a fact that Jacob should apologise). He failed to state that repentance means i (Godly sorrow), confessing sin, asking forgiveness – and a complete 360degree turn around; no, he used the wrong word of ‘apology’.
    Sinning against God wasn’t even mentioned! And you must agree that God is the central focus?
    Any person who knows something about fair questionnaires and interviews (never mind the Bible) would have thrown this interview out.
    Further, Deborah has repeatedly stated on social media (eg Facebook, where she manages 4 different comment outlets) that she and her husband, (or GV24/7/Studio Scotland which they own), have NO involvement in the Moriel-Nathan dispute!! I asked her to to clarify, and she refuses to answer, (in fact blocked me! removing my question). She also repeats they are not D. Nathan’s apologetics. She is patently wrong, the video and all the other facts prove it.
    I can only hope and pray tht your spiritual eyes will be opened to to satans work.

    • billrandles says:

      Patrick I did state that the interview was “excellent”but what I meant by that term was that it was first class in production quality, professionally done to the highest standards and calculated to make David look as good as possible.If you read the article again you will see that I was contrasting that to something DN had released which was up to the same standards. There is not a contradiction here Patrick I have never changed through all of this, I have only tried to be patient and give people every chance to clear themselves, which they really haven’t done. I think I see pretty clear Satan’s work in this, much of it is to get all of us to turn on each other. I have stood By JP every step of the way in the war on truth, but we differ on how to communicate and to treat people.

  20. Jeannette says:

    Anyone heard this?

    It does seem that Jacob truly believes David Nathan is a false teacher, but is he??? Anyone with the technical knowhow could edit a video making it seem as if a person teaches falsely even if he doesn’t.

    I believe that Jacob, David, the Menelaws and others are victims of an all-out Enemy push to destroy the ministries of those who preach truth in these last days.

  21. Jeannette says:

    I have listened to many of David Nathan’s videos, including the whole of the Eschatology series (on which I made detailed notes), most of the Kingdom of God series and a number of single sermons. The ONLY thing so far that I absolutely can’t accept as right is saying that people can’t be born again in the Millennium, which he repeats in the above video. Yet Jacob admires the teaching of Martin Lloyd-Jones who was amillennial!!! It doesn’t make sense!

    • Severiano von Buchenroder says:

      Dear Jeanette. The doctrine of Millennium is regarded as secondary doctrines, or minor issues, on which we as Christians can debate but we must not separate over in terms of disfellowshipping or excommunicating, in the sense that we no longer consider someone to be our brother in Christ. There are denominations for people of like mind who have disagreed over secondary doctrines and find it more comfortable to be with those of like mind. That is fine as long as it does not lead to walls being built against fellowship and to no debate on these issues, which in some unfortunate cases it has. That is wrong. We are still one by virtue of the indwelling Holy Spirit. We need to be very careful to “major on the majors and minor on the minors”. Eschatology, especially as it relates to the timing of the rapture, the literal/allegorical duration of the Millennial rule of Messiah or what will happen in the end times and when the return of Messiah will be, should not be the basis of breaking fellowship except where it denies that Messiah will return bodily to rule and judge.

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