How and When God Loved the World… John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ( John 3:16)

There is nothing so important as that we get the Gospel right. Distortions of the gospel are heresies and rightfully rejected. This is why religious arguments are extremely necessary. We have to hash out the truth and challenge any deviations, because what we are dealing with is of eternal significance.

Recently I preached a message on Psalm 85 called Mercy and Truth are Met Together,

The teaching has come under intense scrutiny because of something I said about John 3:16. I made a statement about the Greek verb tenses, (something I learned from a teacher named David Pawson, for I admittedly am no Greek scholar).

I said that the verse points to a one time action, “In this way did God love the World…” . God loved the world once.

First of all to clear up confusion, we must determine what the term “the World” means in the gospel of John, for there are eval possibilities; The World can mean the creation, or it can mean the earth, or it can mean mankind, or it can mean the way humanity organizes itself to the exclusion of the only true God.

In John’s gospel we are told that the “the world knew him not”( John 1:10) that Jesus prayed “that the world may believe.”(John 17:21) furthermore in the New Testament, we see that Saints are those “Of whom the world was not worthy”(Hebrews 11;18), John 14:17, “whom the world cannot receive”; (John 14:17) and that , “If the world hateth you …it hated me…”( John 15:18) and that the wold is hostile and at enmity with Christ. We are told that the “World cannot receive Him or known Him…” , because it cannot see Christ.

Watchman Neee makes this point very powerfully in His classic book, “Love Not The World”,

… since the day when Adam opened the door for evil to enter God’s creation, the world order has shown itself to be hostile to God. The world “knew not God” (1 Cor. 1:21), “hated” Christ (John 15:18) and “cannot receive” the Spirit of truth (14:17). “Its works are evil” (John 7:7) and “the friendship of the world is enmity with God” (James 4:4). Hence Jesus says, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36). He has “overcome the world” (16:33) and “the victory that hath overcome the world” is “our faith” in him (1 John 5:4). For, as the verse of John 12 that heads this study affirms, the world is under judgment. (Love Not The World, Watchman Nee)

But in spite of all of that and more, God loved the World. Even in English the verse John 3:16 is in the past tense… “For God so Loved the World…”. These are the words of Jesus… not “God so LOVES the World, but God so loved the Wold…”. John 3:16 is speaking of Love as an action, something God did once, but something which has eternal effect addicting out of that action.

I made the point, (which evidently some people found very offensive) that there is no ongoing, up or down , back and forth relationship between God and the world, as if it could be improved or there can be some kind of new understanding or breakthrough in the relationship between God and the World.,

God’s attitude towards the World is uncompromising, it is under judgment, the sentence is passed and the verdict is in…. nothing is going to change that. There is only one locus of the Love of God for this world…the cross of Calvary. The Love of JESUS shown on Calvary is eternal, we who have believed in it and departed from this wold, will know it and enjoy it forever,

God did something once, and only once which still makes it possible for the world to know and experience the love of God… GOD SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, in the Incarnation, to die for our sins. That was how God loved the World and that is when Go loved the World.

I am not saying (as I have been erroneously accused of saying), “God doesn’t love sinners”, or that the time has run out on the Love of God ( perish the thought!). All I am saying is that the only basis this world has for experiencing the Love of God , is on the ground of the Incarnation and the finished work of the cross.

The Apostle John put it so much better than I,

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.( I John 4:9-10)

How did God love the World? The same way God loved the complaining and murmuring Israelites in the wilderness, when they were dying due to their own rebellion against Him…

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.( John 3:14-16)

John 3:16 cannot be understood independently of John 3:14. Jesus was illustrating how God loved the world, by use of an old Testament typological story. When Jesus said “For God So loved the World…” it has been pointed out that that could be better translated “For so, (Thus) did God love the World…” or “In this manner did God love the World..” .

In the story in numbers we see how God loved the World. As Pawson pointed out, God didn’t remove the snakes and stop the deaths of the rebels. By lifting up the serpent on the pole, He gave them a way out!!!! The Serpent Judged, and death dead and hanging on a pole is what they saw. But wen they looked upon it, they lived!

The cross of Jesus is the death of nth, and ‘the judgment of this world…” nothing less than the casting down of the Prince of this world…”

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.  And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (John 12 : 31-32))

God will still judge all that is false, evil, sinful and iniquitous…but in the Cross of Jesus, He gives us an escape from wrath, and a way to be forgiven, loved and brought into the family forever.

But that one time, which has effects that will radiate forever, God loved the World, He took and action, costly to himself, He gave his Son. The World cannot know God or his love on any other basis than that.

I welcome any thoughts…

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57 Responses to How and When God Loved the World… John 3:16

  1. Deemar says:

    Amen! Thank you for this explanation.
    The Provision given for us “in Jesus” is the ONLY way for us to be ‘separated’ from our SIN and counted as righteous… as stated – that is HOW HE LOVED us – He made Himself the Way!

    “For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.” Heb 4:12

    “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”
    “We love Him because He first loved us”

    We are sinful – but He loved us and made a way for us to be “separated” down to the very core of our being from our sinful “selves”…
    “The Way” is Jesus and what He accomplished, ONCE and for all.

    What a glorious Savior!

  2. Susan Bowen says:

    Thank you for this wonderful message. I pray the Lord keeps using you to preach the truth. I ask God to Bless you and your family abundantly for the Truth you preach. Your ministry has been such a blessing to me for many years. Thank you for laying down your life to speak truth.

  3. RuthL says:

    Jesus performed an act of love once on the cross for the sake of the whole world. I listened to your sermon–what you said was very clear. Lord bless.

  4. Claudia Ludwig says:

    I wouldn’t even bother to explain myself to any of Jacobs followers…There is no reasoning with them at the moment…

  5. patricia edward says:

    Thank you ! I love this.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

  6. Colin Higgs says:

    Quote “There is nothing so important as that we get the Gospel right. Distortions of the gospel are heresies and rightfully rejected. This is why religious arguments are extremely necessary. We have to hash out the truth and challenge any deviations, because what we are dealing with is of eternal significance.” I agree whole heartedly with this statement which is why I find it difficult to understand why in the discussion that has gone on within the video has become so contentious when all anyone is trying to do, including Amos is to get some reasonable agreement to statements made. Quote “The teaching has come under intense scrutiny because of something I said about John 3:16. I made a statement about the Greek verb tenses, (something I learned from a teacher named David Pawson, for I admittedly am no Greek scholar).” This is where things started IMHO to take a turn for the worse. You made a statement based on another man’s opinion or teaching regarding the Greek verb tenses? Where in the Greek regarding John 3 v 16 does any verb tense or Greek to English biblical translation bring in the word “ONCE” in relation to God’s love for us (the world). We all agree. or at least I think we do that the action upon the cross was the “ONCE” only event but not God’s love being a “ONCE” event. You say yourself at the end of this blog Quote “But that one time, which has effects that will radiate forever, God loved the World, He took and action, costly to himself, He gave his Son. The World cannot know God or his love on any other basis than that” This is what I think we agree on but I believe on the basis that you took your initial view of David Pawson and an incorrect assumption that “once” comes from an opinion of what (and not a fact) the Greek verb tenses give us. That is the basis of the arguments and disagreements and just like it was during the saga on the DN teaching about the “Blood of Jesus during the millenium”, for which he never recanted totally, we are in a similar position here with your use of the phrase which has become contentious. This is written in love and not as a pulldown.

    • billrandles says:

      Thanks Colin I will consider what you are saying.it is ironic that I gave that teaching in June and hundreds listened to it and none Madrid it what Amos and you got out of it. Much of the trouble has come by intemperate and in accurate remarks by Amos , telling that I say God no longer loves the World, which is not true… this can be a teachable moment if we all stay in the Spirit.

      • Linda MacIntire says:

        Who said it was Jacobs followers? No one even mentios Bill at Moriel anymore. They have a moved on.

      • Linda MacIntire says:

        Bill, for heavens sake, no one in their right mind would ever think you said that. It’s ludicrous ♡

      • Colin Higgs says:

        In response to your remark about being made in June and no one made any remarks only from when Amos bought it into the open. I can categorically state that I know of people that had doubts when they heard it back then, but unfortunately not everyone has the ability or sometimes courage to speak out.

      • Colin Higgs says:

        The remarks about Amos are not strictly correct. If you listen to what he says the remarks you refer to relate only and if you truly believe that “God once loved the world” the rest follows on from that particular statement and shows the potential for a path that you may follow if you stand on the statement. No one, not even Amos is doubting the event of the cross or your belief that God’s love is also eternal, but can you not see the separation between Once Loved the world and the implications of it. Remember the little statement that DN made about the blood of Jesus in the millennium and what progressed from that, this is to me a very similar problem.

      • Hi Colin. The problem is that the terms are being mixed up. Bill is speaking about God’s loved shown to a rebellious world. He is accused of saying that Jesus only loved “us” once. When Jesus loved the world it included us for we were in the world. But to argue that Jesus only loved “us” once is not the point Bill was making. To argue that Bill denies that the love of God is eternal. David Pawson taught that the love of God is eternal but this is also what he said concerning John 3:16,

        “now we come to the biggest surprise of the verse biggest surprise of all and the one that will alter the meaning for you more than any other guess which tense the verb love is in is it either once on one occasion or is it continuously for God so loved the world and the answer is it’s in the Aorist tense and if you know the tense of verbs in Greek you’ll be able to check me out the aorist tense means that on one occasion God once loved the world now how many people reading John 3:16 immediately changed that verb loved to loves in their minds they immediately think of a continuous relationship between God in the world that goes on and on and I’ve even heard preachers quoted and say for God so loves the world as if its present continuous tense. it isn’t it’s saying that on one occasion once in history God paid the world and bearing in mind that agape means acting to meet a need then you can understand why the word loved is not in the present continuous tense but most people come to John 3:16 and say there that is biblical proof that God loves everybody all the time it does not say that it says he once on one occasion acted on behalf of our rebellious sinful race and praised God that he did but do you see what I’m saying we cannot build on this verse the idea that God loves everybody or that he loves us all the time or anything that comes up when people say unconditional love of God it’s not there in the text and that really was a big surprise.”

        This is not the same kind of situation that we saw with David Nathan for David Nathan took down his videos and edited out the offending parts of his own videos and did not explain what he meant with the simple cry that he was taken out of context and that he has always taught that the blood of Jesus is eternally efficacious while meaning, eternally efficacious for us but without stating that. Here we have a bible teacher telling people what he meant without hiding the actual meaning and inviting people to listen to the whole thing.

        I find it ironic though that people who are in Jacob Prasch’s circle of friends equate Bill to David Nathan but they overlook Jacob’s own heretical statement that people will be saved in the Millennium but not as we understand it, not salvation by grace. When Moriel TV sought to defend Jacob’s statement, Josh didn’t say it was taken out of context but that the issue of salvation by grace was never an issue. Jacob had always agreed with that (supplementing an obscure statement where Jacob has stated that the age of Grace comes to an end, which is not heretical if only dealing with how God deals with national affairs but heretical if we apply that to how people get saved.) Jacob himself is guilty of heresy and the doctrine taught by David Pawson pails into insignificance compared to the falsity of Jacob Prasch’s own statement. Sadly this is what discernment has become and I believe we would do well to heed the words of Anton Bosch in this regard.

        http://antonbosch.org/the-state-of-discernment-physician-heal-thyself

      • Just to clarify. I am not speaking of you when I speak of people who are in Jacob Prasch’s circle of friends. Neither am I criticising all who are in Moriel or Jacob’s circle of friends. Some in Moriel are just keeping their heads down and will not get involved and are simply serving the Lord. I am making no complaint against them.

      • Mark Boggia says:

        He never loved the world because he doesnt exist, and if your religion is a reflection of him who would want his love anyway

      • Colin Higgs says:

        Me.

      • Tim says:

        Mark Boggia says:
        December 10, 2019 at 2:50 pm
        He never loved the world because he doesnt exist, and if your religion is a reflection of him who would want his love anyway

        Stop trying to convince yourself of that lie Mark.

        You know very well that in trying to convince yourself that the God in whom you are obsessed doesn’t exist, you are resisting the truth.

    • RuthL says:

      It’s amazing to me how often people who are finding fault, for the sake of finding fault, say “this is written in love.”

      • Colin Higgs says:

        You believe what you want RuthL about my sincerity. I have known Bill along time and would not do any other than be truthful with him. When you make comments like that I would suggest you find something out about the person who’s motives you appear to be criticising. Sounds harsh but also sent in love.

  7. billrandles says:

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/1561476?read-now=1&seq=16#metadata_info_tab_contents Colin this is a very technical article that makes my point from the perspective of very scholarly theologians, experts in Greek. I did not merely take David Pawson’s word for it… there are many confirmations of this interpretation. The essence of the article is a discussion that John 3:16 begins this way, “In this manner (referring back to the incident in John 3:24) did God love the world…” a one time act with eternal consequences.

    • Colin Higgs says:

      That I understand from the use of the word “For” at the beginning of verse 16, but the use of the word “once” is drawn in this context from nothing but supposition

      • billrandles says:

        First of all Colin I can give you quit a list of things Amis has attributed to me that are just flat out untruths. Secondly it all makes perfect sense when you realize that in John 3 the word “lived”is a verb, an action. This is why even in the English translation Jesus says God so loved the world… past tense as in the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, the one act of love which is all sufficient

  8. Colin Higgs says:

    I understand all about the past tense of the word loved, but still do not get where the “once” comes into the equation anywhere. Quite frankly Bill I am tired of this going around in circles and would appreciate replies to other queries raised, including, which could give me an answer about your integrity, the answer to the 2 missing comments on facebook that were addressed to Sergio.

    • billrandles says:

      Colin I love you, and count you as a friend. Please don’t go there. that would be a repeat of the David Nathan/Jacob fiasco. My integrity is known of God, that is all that matters to me. There is nothing nefarious about my exchange with Sergio. Believe it or not I still consider him a friend also. I did not deny taking down the two extra comments I made to sergio, either I misunderstood what you were asking me, or there is some other innocent explanation. It was a personal exchange and I thought the better of those comments, and retracted them. You are wrong claiming they are public domain. Brother I love you and appreciate what you are doing, please give me time to process your input and quit putting me on some kind of trial, as both Jacob’s and David’s people have been doing for some time now. I am not on trial.

  9. Tim says:

    A very good article Bill that puts John 3:16 into its correct context instead of treating it as an isolated “truth” devoid of context.

    It also helps make sense of why John later wrote: “Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.”

    How can the love of the Father NOT be in someone who loves the world – if the Father Himself loves the world?

    The difference is that God acted in a supreme one time act of love when He gave His Son. He loved the world in that act.

    There is a great difference between loved and loves.

  10. The Remnant Alliance says:

    The only thoughts I have are to make corrections to misspellings Hahaha! Love you brother Bill.

    On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 2:58 PM Pastor Bill Randles Blog wrote:

    > billrandles posted: ” For God so loved the world, that he gave his only > begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have > everlasting life. ( John 3:16) There is nothing so important as that we get > the Gospel right. Distortions of the gospel are he” >

  11. John Rowan says:

    A very good article based on something so essential, yet the majority of Bible readers will read over it and not notice this.
    Scripture does confirm the point of a once-off act of love.
    Allow me to mention a few. Please take the time to read them for yourselves.
    Hebrews 7:27; Hebrews 10:10 & 12; 1st Peter 3:18.
    Note the term: “once for all” and “for all time”
    Thank you Bill for again reminding us about the importance of that phenomenal act of LOVE, by our Father in heaven.

    • Tim says:

      Excellent examples supporting the point being made in the original article.

      But I suspect some will still prefer to disagree – despite what scripture makes clear.

  12. Mark Boggia says:

    Total bollocks

    • Tim says:

      Thanks for demonstrating the level of intelligence and wit within the atheist community.

      Also thanks for showing how obsessed atheists can be with a God in whom (they claim) they don’t believe, by continuing to frequent sites maintained by Christians.
      If only more Christians had an equal obsession with Him.

      • Mark Boggia says:

        Dear Tim, Whilst I don’t have the ethnographic data to support this assumption I would suggest that you and others like you exhibit what the psychologist Geert Hofstedde refered to as uncertainty avoidance, meaning you dislike ambiguity and are therefore more likely to be prone to a type 1 statistical error of believing a false positive.

      • Tim says:

        Mark, hide behind man’s “reasoning” as much as you like, and make as many assumptions as your human philosophies allow you to draw.
        But you demonstrate the clear truth: you have a greater obsession with God and the gospel than do the majority of professing Christians.

        You just need to put an end to the struggling, and accept that God is drawing you to Himself.

        Stop torturing yourself and turn to Him through Jesus.

      • Mark Boggia says:

        Dearest Tim, please do not be confused. To give you some background Pastor Bill is a friend of my Dads, who unfortunately has adopted some exterme religous views which has led him to behave in a very inhumane way; ostricising his gay step daughter (who happens to be a priest) as an example. I see my Dads circle of christian friends as contributing to this harm and family agnst and I’m simply trying to hold Pastor Bill accountable. My obsession is in seeking truth and confronting Christians to see that in truth the sum of their activities is for the most part giving people permission to hate. You may notice that religion is the root cause of unlimited conflcit, Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Northern Ireland etc….. yet it is never listed as the peacemaker in any conflict. So I’m simply fighting a noble and just cause to rid the world of hate and intollerance, so essentially the antithesis of your bollocks. Best Wishes, Mark

      • Tim says:

        Desperation shows when you need to make references like:

        ” religion is the root cause of unlimited conflict, Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Northern Ireland etc…”

        When it is clear (surely even to you) that those conflicts have nothing to do with Christ or His gospel.

        They are all examples of man’s exploitation of religion for personal political ends. An ugly hybrid of religious rhetoric, political ambition, and patriotic fervour.

        Stop with the excuses and stop torturing yourself.
        Turn to the God your obsession makes it clear you are seeking, and yet resisting.

      • Mark Boggia says:

        Dearest Tim

        I repeat my request for an example of where your religion has been demonstarted to be the peacemaker in conflict situations.

        Surely you must have lots of examples given the wonderous nature of your God.

        Love

        Mark

      • Mark Boggia says:

        Dearest Tim

        I repeat. Please provide me with one example of where religion has resolved a conflict situation that we would all recognise.

        You must have lots of examples of how this love of god and Jesus has made such a clearly demonstrable difference. It can be that hard what are you avoiding ?

        Love

        Mark

      • Colin Higgs says:

        Religion doesn’t do anything, God does. World War 2 comes to mind. God’s intervention and answer to the faithful, who were called to prayer by the King, started the process to end the war. There will be many more examples og God’grace and mercy, but you are right religion doesn’t do anything for us . However Faith and belief in the one True and living God and His Son Jesus and our act of true repentance does.

    • Tim says:

      <blockquote?I repeat my request for an example of where your religion has been demonstrated to be the peacemaker in conflict situations.
      Surely you must have lots of examples given the wonderous nature of your God.

      In countless individual lives.

      The type of significant conflict situations you have referred to are generated by worldly political powers, who abuse the name of God for their own ends.

      It doesn’t take much to see the blindingly obvious – that those political ends have nothing to do with God, apart from them being blamed on Him by desperate “atheists” trying to avoid having to accept the Truth.

      • Tim says:

        Corrected formatting of my previous comment.

        Mark said:

        I repeat my request for an example of where your religion has been demonstrated to be the peacemaker in conflict situations.
        Surely you must have lots of examples given the wonderous nature of your God.

        In countless individual lives.
        The type of significant conflict situations you have referred to are generated by worldly political powers, who abuse the name of God for their own ends.
        It doesn’t take much to see the blindingly obvious – that those political ends have nothing to do with God, apart from them being blamed on Him by desperate “atheists” trying to avoid having to accept the Truth.

        I would also refer you to Jesus’s own words:

        “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight…”

        Clearly any conflict or “fighting” is not being done in His name. It may have been done in the name of religion, but NOT in Jesus’s name or in the name of His Kingdom.

  13. GJ says:

    Finished… completed… loved. They all say the same.

    30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. John 19

  14. Love your work Pastor Bill!

  15. Absolutely correct Pastor! Amen and amen!

    HalleluYah!

  16. Mellany McKenzie says:

    “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”
    “We love Him because He first loved us”

    I love that verse in the Book of John.
    Dwelt among us
    Tabernacled among us
    We beheld His glory
    The glory of the only begotten of the Father
    Full of grace and truth.

    One day that will happen again.
    Jesus will return
    Jesus will rule and reign from Jerusalem

    Like in the Book of Luke “in the fullness of time”

    Jesus knows and right now I am adhering to; trusting in; and relying Christ Jesus my LORD.
    I love the word of God and that is Jesus.

    That little Book of Jude is quite a comfort to me as well as that song

    The name of the LORD is a strong tower
    and the righteous run into the name of the LORD and they are safe.

    From time to time I watch the Coptic Christians singing in that cave in Egypt
    Is quite beautiful and I join in.
    Wonderful time of worship.
    From 2011 I believe
    Easy to find if u google it

    Blessings in Christ, dear sisters and brothers in the LORD.

    Maranatha!
    Mellany

  17. Tricia says:

    Only today was I made aware of the video by Amos (? if that is the gentleman in question) which had clips of your original. Listening, I grasped what you were saying immediately, and agreed with you. It pains me that Christians are indulging in so much nit-picking. Has the Church not enough enemies that we need to create them within our own house? Coincidentally, yesterday I myself had written a blog piece about the love of God, and what you said did not contradict it, but only added to it. That is what we all do as brothers and sisters, adding to one another’s understanding, applying different nuances and examples, helping one another’s interpretation. As for pointing out the singular example of God’s love in giving his Son, yes of course that was “once for all” but you never suggested God did not love beforehand, nor afterwards in his ongoing relationship with his people. I could say more, but I’ll spare you LOL.

    • Tim says:

      you never suggested God did not love beforehand, nor afterwards in his ongoing relationship with his people.

      Yes.

      There is a clear difference between God’s one time act of love towards the world, in the giving of His Son and His ONGOING love for His people.

  18. billrandles says:

    I think the Moriel syndicate is trying to put a “hit” on me…lol…thanks Tricia I appreciate all that you do and have done

  19. ng says:

    In answer to your question. David Pawson. Has no statement of faith on his website. His gospel is the same as Ellen G. White’s gospel in which your not saved yet. In the case of Seventh Day Adventism in which I was, they are waiting for the Investigative Judgment, though they have dates. You see you are not saved until God weighs your good deeds by your bad deeds that is on keeping the keeping of the 10 commandments. You can also add “Lordship Salvation” to the mix. See here the Investigative Judgment, specifically “The Judgment Process”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_judgment And: the second part of my concern is Watchman Nee. If you go to the official website he is called a “Seer of Divine Revelation”: See here:https://www.watchmannee.org/ REALLY? Maybe people should carefully weigh out his doctrine. And last but not least Here Is The Gospel, pure and simple: MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I peached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand: By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain (see verse 17). For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (where is repentance? where is keeping the commandments? where is your not saved until you do this or that? Where?) If you add to the gospel it is not gospel at all then I would refer you to Galatians 1:6-9. Notice the mention of angels in verse 8. The same of which Ellen G. White got her gospel from, what about Nee?

    • billrandles says:

      David Pawson is nothing like A Seventh Day Adventist, he does not preach investigative judgment nor does he point people to a false prophets, nor does he put people in bondage to the law of Moses . Terrible comparison!

    • billrandles says:

      Watchman Nees writings are published by Witness Lee , who is a cultist. Watchman died in the 1970s as a martyr for Jesus.

    • Tim says:

      The most visited post on my blog:
      “Is David Pawson a False Teacher”

      A link to that article:

      https://onesimusfiles.wordpress.com/2013/07/25/is-david-pawson-a-false-teacher/

      I don’t think I’ve come across many teachers who have had their teachings so maligned and misrepresented as David Pawson has.

      Every accusation made about his teaching that I’ve seen has been a total lie. Including those made in ngs comment.

      :

    • John Rowan says:

      Dear ng.
      The message of repentance did not start with Paul. It is a repeated instruction to the nation of Israel, from God, through the prophets, that God’s people should repent and turn from their wicked ways.
      John the Baptist preached repentance.
      Jesus, in Luke 24:47, instructed:”that repentance for forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His name to all the nations…”
      On Pentacost day, in response to the question “What shall we do?”, Peter replied: “Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;”
      By the mouth of Paul, the apostles and prophets are the foundation of the dwelling of the household of God, (Ephesians 2:19-23). Therefore, even Paul preached repentance as it is found in 2nd Corinthians 7:10: “For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation;”
      Paul’s terms such as a “living sacrifice”, “circumcision of the heart”(Rom: 2: 29), really has a similar meaning.
      Very important: The absence the preaching of true repentance, is exactly the reason for an apostate, loveless, powerless church!
      With regards to the commandments: In John 14:15 we read that keeping the commandments is a response or the result of a Love for Jesus, hence, if you Love (Agapé) Jesus, you will.

  20. ng says:

    Maybe someone should investigate Tim, all you have to do is click on his name. I was warned to stay away and I will heed it. Matthew 15:14.

    • Tim says:

      Ng, I have investigated, I’ve listened to his teaching and have searched the scriptures for myself to see whether what he teaches is biblical.

      For the most part it is.

      I didn’t need to “click on his name” and listen to warnings from others.

      I trusted what I read in scripture and found Pawson’s teaching is far more scriptural than most teachers I’ve come across.

  21. Kieren Green says:

    Bill, take some advice from me, a chartered engineer, guitarist and Englishman. Dinnae bother to reply to the GCR police Sargent. He and affiliates have it in for you and will not leave you alone. I’m am not sure if you are right or wrong, it seems to be a delicate subject. Be open and honest about it, which I think you are. Good luck big shot. Good bless. Kieren

  22. Shofar/Liz says:

    I am not familiar with Pawson, but I think the closing remarks you made about God’s love for us brings better understanding for me re John 3:14-16. Unless one has a personal encounter with Jesus he cannot really begin to know about God’s great love for us. It brings to my mind Paul’s conversion and what lengths God took to express His love for him. Not too long after, Paul would say, ‘For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified’. His spiritual encounter was a ‘demonstration of the Spirit and of (God’s) power’ (1 Cor 2:1-5). Each of us needs to be convinced in our own minds of not so much what think we believe, but to know the person whom we believe in. That cannot be acquired by head knowledge; it requires a faith/heart experience that is life-changing. Like Paul and many others who came to believe ‘God so loved the world (us), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life’ (John 3:16)

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